Public Sector Pay Levy
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Mammycool this would be a boring site if someone didnt start off a topic of debate.
None of my above comments were directed at you they were just in general. I know most worry about money but when about to start maternity the worries do then to multiplyyeah for sure….when you’re used to something and in control it’s hard to no longer be in control have that battle everyday, as i don’t work hubby does and i feel like no control….anyways that’s another days topic…..
heard on radio that government sound like they’re not taking s**t from those who fight it, they really said it’s this way or no way, everyone in the private sector are taking a hit and why should it fall only on the private sectors shoulders…public sector need to roll in……
let’s see what happens…..anyways interesting topic to say the least 😉
rant away its nice to have a healthy debate!!!
but there is no bloody fecking private sector, they are all losing their jobs, what do the public sector expect us to do. where my brother gf works 2 girls were let go and she had to take a 15% pay cut. meeting in my brothers work tw in regards to the future of the business…so much for them trying to buy a house this year you know. its really a sad situation to be in.
my dh hasnt taken a cut but he did get a promotion which should have given him an extra 10 to 15 euro an hour pay rise.
He was asked to do the job with no extra money as the company couldnt afford to pay him, he agreeded as he wants the work but 12 months ago he would have gotten the money too…. but he is seeing lads who work with him being let go every week since the middle of last year so he is happy to have a jobthey were talking about it on gerry ryan, and really they were saying that anyone in a job now if needed to take a pay decrease if can they shouldat least they have a job, but also public sector should roll in too…..also they were highlighting that there are people that are still earning full wage and people earning wages but they are not spending…..
they said that in new york retailers said here feck the porfits we need cash so in order to keep the cash flow they had sales and proper actual sales not the end of the last year crap sales….they said they didn’t make profits but those who were squirrelling away money actually came out and spent their money….and the cash flow helped sustain businesses…..
it is true there is mass fear at the moment people are trying not to spend and are looking around for better value….and retailers, resteraunters etc etc, all need to realise people will spend if offered better value for money….that will help create cash flow, and help the exchequer and help maintain jobs and eventually if everyone i mean everyone rows in together we will see the country through this….if the retailers etc sit back and don’t drop in order to help create cash flow, people will sit in not spend and will continue to go north for the better value…..
if i got better value for groceries etc i would continue personally to shop in southern ireland, however i’m not seeing it so i shop north….i have recently shopped around and bought items here but as i said reduce and make it more attractive and offer incentives people will stay south and help sustain the country…..anyway rant over….
Don’t suppose that Gerry Ryan mentioned the fact that he was asked to take a 10% pay cut and refused? As did Pat Kenny and Ryan Tubridy. Pat Kenny has since given in and Ryan Tubridy has offered to make a donation to charity. Those three are on a serious amount of money and would not even notice a pay cut.
I think the tradesman that are still in work think they are still in the middle of the Celtic Tiger – I have been trying to get someone to put a floor in my attic and insulate it for a few weeks. When they do eventually turn up – they are looking for 2 – 3K. All I want is a bit of space to store my desk and stuff until next year. Decided to forget the insulation and just get a partial floor and we are now down to about 1K – all set for today and then the person does not show up at all to do the work.
I’m sure there are lots of people out there, without a job who will come in, do a good job and not rip people off – bit dodgy though to do an attic without insurance!
Why dont you pm happymammy her dh is a carpenter who is just out of work Im sure he would do you a good price on a cash job
yeah but still come on it’s the the hardest job in the world, my hubby floored our attic with his dad, and i don’t see why people are ripping off or not showing up, that’s a joke, for god’s sake you think they’d be happy to have a job to do…..
try happymammy’s other half…..
that’s annoying also heard people saying i need to earn x amount and i can’t work for less then x amount…so they are on the dole which pays a hell of a lot less then the x amount they want….ohhhh annoying….anyway hope you get attic done and the willing person will show up….
actually anyone know anyone or ecommend someone that can do a porch my parents looking to get one fitted…..There are alot of civil servants who are earning just above the minimum wage. Alot of the civil seravnats and public servants who work in local councils are at clerical officer grade and would be earning under €30,000 even at the top of the scale.
There is also a misconception about the pension entitlements of public servants. You have to do 40 years service to be entitled to getting the full pension which is worth half of your salary at the time of your retirement. If you do less than this which would be the case for many public servants you will not get anything near to that. Many civilservants are people who emigrated in the 1980s and returned in the 1990s and joined the civil service in their thirties so they would not get the full pension.
Also those who joined the civil service before 1995 do not pay into a pension sceme and pay less prsi however they are not entitled to the old age contributory state pension at retirement and if they have done 40 years service al they will get is their pension from their job. They can apply for the non-contributory state pension however this is means tested and they would receive very little if anything at all.
Those who joined after 1995 do pay into a pension scheme and pay full prsi so are entitiled to the contributory state pension like everybody else and whatever pension they have acrued from the years of service from their work. It is a very complicated system.
What you have to remember that public and civil servants generally work in professions or jobs that the private sector do not supply. They are generally non-profit organisations that are involved in providing government and civil services to society. Theya are generally not as paid as well as the private sector. There are no bonuses or commission paid to civil or public servants in the same way as the private sector. This was one reason for providing a good pension. It was to stop a brain drain of talented poeple leaving both the public and civil service for the private sector for better money because after all we are all nearly driven by money when it comes to working. It is also important that we have a good professional and intelligent civil service that can provide the services that IrelAND WANTS. You get what you pay for and it has been seen in the US where government workers are paid badly it does not attract the graduates for thes positions.
The main problem over the pension rights is really with the private sector and how their pension is not guaranteed because of the share market. Really what need to ocur is for the government to guarantee private sector pensions in the same way as public pension if private companies get into difficulty like they have done in the UK and instead of targeting just one group of workers who didn’t get much out of the so called celtic tiger, increase the lower and higher tax rates so everyone is giving a dig out while the country is doing so bad.
During the boom times when developers, constructin workers, business and commerical workers were earning extroadinary salaries and inflating the prices of houses and possessions many civil and public servnats couldn’t afford to get a mortgage or go on the 5 or 6 holidays abraod per year. Civil servants and public servants should not be blamed for what has happened to Ireland in the past 6 months or become the scape goats for these problems.
Its time the people responsible for this mess stop blaming public servants and take responsibility for what they have done.
It has been in the bankers and big businesses interests to blame civil servants, yet what happened to all the profits these banks and companies made during the boom time? Where is all this money now? Did they help and support their employees in their time of need? At the end of the day it is ordinary workers who are being forced to bail out the banks and big investors.
There seems to be a culture in this country at times of attacking the public sector when times are harder perhaps out of a sense of begrudgery because people feel the public sector have it easy with permanent pensionable jobs. This is unfair the public sector employs many temporary, part time and contract workers whose jobs are at risk in these times. The majority of public sector workers are not on great salaries special needs assistants for one are on very low money. Also there are many women working part time who won’t have the forty years service at retirement and will get only a tiny pension and their small wage will be further eroded by the levy.
The public sector did not damage our economy the ecomony has suffered from over speculation , over development and corruption among bankers, developers and other private sector companies.
The public sector are the backbone of the country in good times and bad; they are the teachers, nurses, gardai, council workers and civil servants and don’t forget that they are always tax payers. The average public sector worker has seen nothing of the celtic tiger riches enjoyed by private companies who raked in the cash. My husband earns a modest salary and with that we pay an average mortage, he keeps the five of us; ourselves and our three children fed and clothed, there is very little left over. We have never had a foreignholiday other than our honeymoon which my parents paid for. Our children have never had a foreign holiday and we have never had a car. My husband chose to enter his job because he wanted the security for our family in preference to a job where he would have earned a larger salary. Thank god he did because although my hours have been cut at least we know that his job is secure. We have no objection to having a cut in salary we shall simply have to tighten our belts. I do feel sorry for anyone has lost their job they include my brother and two of my brothers-in-law who all worked in the building trade.
Sorry for having a rant it is not directed at anyone here but rather at the general bad feeling towards the public sector which I cannot understandIts amazing that we are scrimping to save 2 Billion this year when we are as of last Thursday, embarking on spending 4.5 BILLION (yes, its BILLION – not million and its not a mistake) for JUST a campaign to get us to use our bikes and less cars.
I’m all for efforts for this but at this very economic juncture, to spend 4.5 billion on just a campaign is just way out there with saying fairies are real!
(You can find more on this here: http://www.unitedpeople.ie)Just how far out of touch are Fianna Fail? Jeasus, its mental!
They won’t spend ten million on inoculation but will spend 4.5 billion on advertising, tv air time and well paid PR reps!
Fcuking madness and whats worse, the Irishimmobile sheep of this country just accept it!I think getting the Irish people onto their bikes is a bit fanciful – no matter how much money they throw at it! We don’t exactly have the weather that would encourage you out 🙂
Yes, unfortunately, there is a lot of begrudgery towards the public sector. A majority of them are hard working people who do thankless jobs that no-one else would be bothered with. Like every other profession, there are also the higher end of the sector – the public sector is renouned for being top heavy with lots management type people who apparently do, not a lot. Whether or not this is true, we have no way of knowing but it does earn them a bad reputation.
Unfortunately, for the rest of you, the Government is your employer and they have decided to place this levy on your salary. The private sector is also at the mercy of their employers – these are business people and therefore more ruthless. I work for a company who are based in NI, with branches across the UK and remote staff in Ireland. They have made a profit in Ireland last year but because of the current economic difficulties, they have made staff redundant, put a pay freeze in place and suspended all bonuses. Yes, I am one of those private sector workers who gets a bonus. Instead of a pay rise this last four years, I have have 20% of my salary now target based. I have never missed my target but will not now get paid for achieving it. So, as well as a pay freeze, I will get the equivalent of a 20% pay cut. I shall be out on maternity until next year – so it does not particularly bother me at present.
yeah as if we’d be on bikes…. 😆 😆 but good idea, more people should but the weather so unpredictable, sure ya just have to look at the amount of people who drive their kids to school…some live near by and could walk or get a school bus, but no they drive……
fed up really with this topic…..so i’m gonna enjoy my life for as long as i am, and hopefully in between deal with whatever problems come my way…..
happy days ahead let’s be positive
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